The Long Journey South....

[lotrchampion]

http://home7.swipnet.se/~w-70531/Tolkien/haradrim/harad.GIF

Welcome, ladies and gentlefolk, to the exotic south. Here, take a glass of Khandish rum. A seat perhaps? Make yourself comfortable.

http://www.games-workshop.de/hdr/voelker/harad/bilder/art.jpg

Perhaps you'd care to take a look at our armies? While not having as wide a range of troops as Mordor or Gondor, we make up for it with the sheer quantity of good quality troops we can field. For the same cost as an Orc of Mordor with an orc bow, you can take a Haradrim bowmen, with superior Courage, Range and Accuracy.

Next in the lines of Harad are the Raiders, fast, mounted men capable of flanking an enemy, leading a spear-head chargeor merely providing mobile supporting fire. When equipped with Lances, these great warriors can wound the Men of Minas Tirith armed with Shields on roll of a 5 on the charge. This combined with the hitting power of cavalry, make for a great, and fairly average costing cavalry force.

Let's take a look at the mighty men who lead our armies. First up, the two main leaders, the Kings and Chieftains of Harad. With their low cost combined with either a bow or a lance/horse combination means you can choose to lead from the front or direct your men from the lines of fire. Next, the deadly Hasharin. When used correctly, he can move through terrrain, hidden from enemy fire, cut through the enemy ranks with ease and reach enemy heroes in order to quickly dispatch of them. When the rest of your men reduce the enemy to breaking point, there will be one less hero to use a Stand Fast! check. And last, but by no means the least, the Serpent Lord himself, Suladan. His high amount of might combined with his attacks and fighting ability mean he can smash into enemy lines with the power of several of your other cavalry, and when combined with them, he can be a battle winner on his own. His superior Stand Fast! range means that your troops will hold whn you really need them to.

Finally in the array of weaponry Harad can boast is the Mumakil of Harad. A heavy hitting beast of mammoth proportions, this beast can smash through enemy lines while it's archers take out any enemy archers that can cause it a threat. The Hasharin can take out dangerous foot troops such as Imrahil and Dain, while the Mumakil treads the enemy troops into the ground.

I think you can see that when used in a combined force, the armies of Harad can be unforgivingly deadly to an enemy. However, there is always the other side of the hobby to consider. The armies of Harad provide unique painting oppurtunities, with different cloth and skin to the armies of the North, and, not forgetting the Mumak, allows you to paint up the largest plastic model ever produced by Games Workshop.

And finally, the community. The Harad community is a friendly, calm atmosphere, where we discuss tactics, house rules, tell stories round the campfire, and host competitions for all members of The Palantir, as well as a few private ones of our own.

So, friends, I advise you, before the oncomign storm engulfs you, join Harad![/img]

[Baldor]

hmmm....

No :)

[Suladan, the Serpent Lord]

Hmmm....

YES! :P Good speech there lotrchampion, people should join the Haradrim ranks.

[KingofRohan8888]

NEVER!

Join Gondor!

[Skywalker312]

hmmm....

No :)

Just so you know, that right there is called spam...

Great speach Lotrchampion, i am most pleased :)

Best,

Sky


We don't accept traitors to evil in Harad allegiance anyway baldor :wink:

Edit: that was mean for me to say Baldor, i am sorry for saying such harsh words. hope you enjoy Gondor, even though the tin men will certainly fall.

[The_sea_of_Rhun]

hmmm....

No :)

Just so you know, that right there is called spam...

Great speach Lotrchampion, i am most pleased :)

Best,

Sky


We don't accept traitors to evil in Harad allegiance anyway baldor :wink:
Hear Hear
I agree well said good speech.
I am in Harad on holiday but i will unfortunatly return to my home of Rhun in the campaign.

cheers

[Skywalker312]

hmmm....

No :)

Just so you know, that right there is called spam...

Great speach Lotrchampion, i am most pleased :)

Best,

Sky


We don't accept traitors to evil in Harad allegiance anyway baldor :wink:
Hear Hear
I agree well said good speech.
I am in Harad on holiday but i will unfortunatly return to my home of Rhun in the campaign.

cheers

For the moment, all easterlings are in Harad and also in Mordor.

[LAE671]

As said by Baldor, I think I'll pass on that one. Looks like you put a good bit of time into that lotrchampion, so gj on getting into the spirit. Harad is a nice force, but never shall it match up to the great Tin Men of the West. Gondor For Life!!!

Cheers,
LAE671

[KingofRohan8888]

We don't accept traitors to evil in Harad allegiance anyway baldor :wink:

I can read that!

And i have faith in Baldor unlike the afraid men of Harad.

[Suladan, the Serpent Lord]

We never said we had lost faith in Baldor, he/she just wanted a change of scenary. :wink:

[Ortheron]

For the moment, all easterlings are in Harad and also in Mordor.

which is why i am here, easterlings and haradrim = my favourite minis, cant go wrong here! :P

[KingofRohan8888]

then why would you guys not want traitors back?

[Tar-Minyatur]

Who wants to be a perspiring raghead who wanders n the deserts every day? :wink:

[Skywalker312]

Who wants to be a perspiring raghead who wanders n the deserts every day? :wink:

ME! i enjoy the beach and am very happy in Harad. plus we get to slaughter elves, tin men, stable boys, or anything else that shows up in our territory.

anyway, as Lotrchamp stated before, Harad has some of the most well rounded troops(pointwise) in the game. they are truly fun to game with.

[lotrchampion]

A quick note-in this year's Winter War at my local Games Workshop, my Haradrim were unbeaten, and I didn't even use a Mumak. There were:
-Uruk-hai
-High Elves
-Gondor
-Rohan
-Hobbits
All of which were beaten by Haradrim. NOW tell me that th Little Tin Men can't be beaten.

P.S. Just to self promote myself, that's the 2nd year running I've won the Winter War :D.

[Ortheron]

good job lotrchamp, you did great!

[KingofRohan8888]

well what armies were you playing and i won 2 RTT tourneys with my Gondor.

[Suladan, the Serpent Lord]

lotrchampion, I'm sure you've proved our point that Harad is a very flexible army. :D

[KingofRohan8888]

no not really.

They have no units better then the normal grunt.

There pretty much Rohan with Mumaks.

And against about 1,000 point armies Gondor would win with its mass variation.

Harad can die so easily its not even funny.

Because if you put in a Mumak i can either max out on Rangers of Godnro or Citadel Guard Longbowmen. Or i can take an avenger or Trebuechet.

And if yo don't take a mumak i'll still take an avenger and just a big unit of WOMT with Boromir and watch the avenger rip through you.

Then whatevers left gets eaten away by my bif block of warriors.

My 500pt force can easily destroy anything in Harad's force.

[lotrchampion]

Big heroes REALLY don't work against Harad. In every single game I've played against my friend's Higjh Elves, in which he uses botg Gil-galad and Elrond, he has always come off the worst, and at least 1 of the two (usually Gil-galad) always dies.

As for Avengers, if they pose a large threat then the crew can be taken out easily, since they only have bow-range. Big blocks of warriors might be a little painful, but a couple of waves of Raiders should whittle them down to size, and then they've got around 20 spearmen to contend with.

Anyway, sounds interesting, it'd be good to play a Gondorian force that is actually a challenge. :)

[KingofRohan8888]

i could use heroic shooting and who says i won't field 2?

I could field 2 avengers and a big block of WOMT with a captain and maybe some RoG.

How about we both make 1,000 pt lists and se which is better adn it will be judged by the members.

[Skywalker312]

i will give a free blister(buying it for you via paypal) to whoever wins this contest. assuming that Lotrchampion is up for it! HARAD FOREVER!!!

EDIT: House rules can be used, but only the ones from WD!

[LordBoromir]

I could field 2 avengers and a big block of WOMT with a captain and maybe some RoG

Why not just field a big block of cheese? Pffft, Avengers. All I have to do is send a force of Raiders towards it. Once they slay the crew you're screwed. May as well stay in contact for a turn and destroy them. Of course, you could always fire at them with your RoG? Well, that allows me to fire at your ROG with my archers, unharrassed. That poor defence means they won't withstand poison archery for very long. I can just keep my units more than 8" away from the Mumak, until the Avengers are no longer a threat.

Now you'll have to rely on leftover RoG to wound the Mumak. But, oh wait, they need a 6/4+ to wound the Mumak, whilst the Haradrim in the howdah need only a 5 to kill the Rangers. And they have Poison.

Now your only hope of wounding the Mumak is uber-heros and cavalry. But, because you spent so much on the Avengers, you don't have any...

A few turns later and you've been trampled to death. Easy.

They have no units better then the normal grunt.

Um...Raiders, the Hasharin? What about the Mumakil or Suladan?

There pretty much Rohan with Mumaks.

No. A Haradrim Warrior is superior to a Rohirrim Warrior yet costs less. This makes us better than Rohan. Plus our heroes are much better.

And against about 1,000 point armies Gondor would win with its mass variation

Who plays 1000pts? All Gondor's variation leads to is unthemed beginner armies.


Harad can die so easily its not even funny.

They die on the same roll as a Ranger of Gondor. When they die, it's very funny.

Because if you put in a Mumak i can either max out on Rangers of Godnro or Citadel Guard Longbowmen. Or i can take an avenger or Trebuechet.

No you can't. 33% archery rule. And if you play without that rule, it's worth noting that NO armies lists can outshoot Harad.

Sure, Gondor's effective. But they're designed for beginners. Those who want to use a challening, rewarding force should join Harad.

[Tar-Minyatur]

I could field 2 avengers and a big block of WOMT with a captain and maybe some RoG

Why not just field a big block of cheese? Pffft, Avengers. All I have to do is send a force of Raiders towards it. Once they slay the crew you're screwed. May as well stay in contact for a turn and destroy them. Of course, you could always fire at them with your RoG? Well, that allows me to fire at your ROG with my archers, unharrassed. That poor defence means they won't withstand poison archery for very long. I can just keep my units more than 8" away from the Mumak, until the Avengers are no longer a threat.

Now you'll have to rely on leftover RoG to wound the Mumak. But, oh wait, they need a 6/4+ to wound the Mumak, whilst the Haradrim in the howdah need only a 5 to kill the Rangers. And they have Poison.

Now your only hope of wounding the Mumak is uber-heros and cavalry. But, because you spent so much on the Avengers, you don't have any...

A few turns later and you've been trampled to death. Easy.

No, KingofRohan8888, if you want real cheese, try this list:

Boromir of the White Tower with Shield

2 Avengers

10 GotFC with Shields

10 Citadel Guards with Spears

10 RoG

600pts ;)


There pretty much Rohan with Mumaks.

No. A Haradrim Warrior is superior to a Rohirrim Warrior yet costs less. This makes us better than Rohan. Plus our heroes are much better.

Yeah, but you can't give shield for a haradrim warrior or haradrim hero, and they can't have Heavy Armours. So 10 Elf Bows could kill Suladan in a Turn.


Because if you put in a Mumak i can either max out on Rangers of Godnro or Citadel Guard Longbowmen. Or i can take an avenger or Trebuechet.

No you can't. 33% archery rule. And if you play without that rule, it's worth noting that NO armies lists can outshoot Harad.

Sure, Gondor's effective. But they're designed for beginners. Those who want to use a challening, rewarding force should join Harad.

Wood Elves can outshoot Harad. :wink:

[The_sea_of_Rhun]

The 33% bow rules doesn't exist anymore it has been got rid of by Games Workshop and a trebuchet can kill a mumak out right in the first couple of turns if you take a captain for it.

cheers

[Skywalker312]

Wood Elves can outshoot Harad.

as for point effectiveness, no they can't, we can get more bows overall. that taken in mind, yes you have better archers, we have more though.

[LordBoromir]

Wood Elves can not outshoot Harad.

We wound them on a 5+

You wound us on a 5+

You hit on a 3+

We hit on a 4+ with poison

We can take nearly 2 Haradrim Archers for every Elf archer.

Result - lots of dead Elves.

The only advantage you have on us is hitting on one less. That advantage does not rectify the massive numerical and poison advantage we have.

Shields for Haradrim Warriors? Waste of a point. The only meanwhile differences are S2 (Man bows) and S4 (Heroes/Uruks). Easily solved.

[Tar-Minyatur]

Wood Elves can not outshoot Harad.

We wound them on a 5+

You wound us on a 5+

You hit on a 3+

We hit on a 4+ with poison

We can take nearly 2 Haradrim Archers for every Elf archer.

Result - lots of dead Elves.

The only advantage you have on us is hitting on one less. That advantage does not rectify the massive numerical and poison advantage we have.

Shields for Haradrim Warriors? Waste of a point. The only meanwhile differences are S2 (Man bows) and S4 (Heroes/Uruks). Easily solved.

Elves can outshoot Harad, with new 600pts lists, it's even more easier. I can have 15 elves with bows and Legolas for 600pts, so it's 18 arrows per turn. No other race can have more arrows per turn. And elf bows are way better than normal bows.

[lotrchampion]

Elves can outshoot Harad, with new 600pts lists, it's even more easier. I can have 15 elves with bows and Legolas for 600pts, so it's 18 arrows per turn. No other race can have more arrows per turn. And elf bows are way better than normal bows.

For the same price, I can take.....75 Warriors of Harad with Bows and 3 Chieftains with Bows. 600pts exactly.

Working by the laws of averages, thats around 39 hits per turn, 13 wounds, with about 6 rerolls, so 14 wounds, per turn. That leaves you with Legolas and 1 Elf. Oh, and thats without any of my Might points too.....

Now tell me you can outshoot me.

[KingofRohan8888]

when i meant max out on Rog and CG longbowmen meant max has in 33% rule.

2 avengers both with swift reload.

avengers deploy

1 on each flank.

Big block of warriors maybe 12 with Faramir.

Then a bunch of RoG

WOMT make a shield wall around the avengers and RoG.

I will shoot you to death.

someone make an 1,000pt list.

I can make one to couter it.

Gondor can have variation without it being cheese.

Harad has no eelites.

raiders are warriors on horses.

Poins isn't that efective unless you roll lots of 1s.

And RoG are killed on 5s but what about the warriors.

6s thats right.

Adn a trebuechet could easily fire at the howdah or mumak killling either instasntly.

So for everything harad has it can be easily countered by Gondor.

[Tar-Minyatur]

Elves can outshoot Harad, with new 600pts lists, it's even more easier. I can have 15 elves with bows and Legolas for 600pts, so it's 18 arrows per turn. No other race can have more arrows per turn. And elf bows are way better than normal bows.

For the same price, I can take.....75 Warriors of Harad with Bows and 3 Chieftains with Bows. 600pts exactly.

Working by the laws of averages, thats around 39 hits per turn, 13 wounds, with about 6 rerolls, so 14 wounds, per turn. That leaves you with Legolas and 1 Elf. Oh, and thats without any of my Might points too.....

Now tell me you can outshoot me.

But there's 78 models and 100% bows...
And I meant that I can take mounted Legolas with elven cloak, 15 Archers, 17 Elves with Elven Blades, 16 Spearmen and a Standard bearer, I mentioned only bow armed models. It's 599pts.

[Skywalker312]

Elves can outshoot Harad, with new 600pts lists, it's even more easier. I can have 15 elves with bows and Legolas for 600pts, so it's 18 arrows per turn. No other race can have more arrows per turn. And elf bows are way better than normal bows.

For the same price, I can take.....75 Warriors of Harad with Bows and 3 Chieftains with Bows. 600pts exactly.

Working by the laws of averages, thats around 39 hits per turn, 13 wounds, with about 6 rerolls, so 14 wounds, per turn. That leaves you with Legolas and 1 Elf. Oh, and thats without any of my Might points too.....

Now tell me you can outshoot me.

But there's 78 models and 100% bows...
And I meant that I can take mounted Legolas with elven cloak, 15 Archers, 17 Elves with Elven Blades, 16 Spearmen and a Standard bearer, I mentioned only bow armed models. It's 599pts.

thats all well and good that you mentioned only warriors with bows, but we still could have more models with bows than you, even with the 33% rule(thats if you are playing by it). hands down, Harad can have the most possible archers in the race of men! if you want to get technical, hobbits outshoot both of us, even if they do have a shorter range.

[Tar-Minyatur]

Elves can outshoot Harad, with new 600pts lists, it's even more easier. I can have 15 elves with bows and Legolas for 600pts, so it's 18 arrows per turn. No other race can have more arrows per turn. And elf bows are way better than normal bows.

For the same price, I can take.....75 Warriors of Harad with Bows and 3 Chieftains with Bows. 600pts exactly.

Working by the laws of averages, thats around 39 hits per turn, 13 wounds, with about 6 rerolls, so 14 wounds, per turn. That leaves you with Legolas and 1 Elf. Oh, and thats without any of my Might points too.....

Now tell me you can outshoot me.

But there's 78 models and 100% bows...
And I meant that I can take mounted Legolas with elven cloak, 15 Archers, 17 Elves with Elven Blades, 16 Spearmen and a Standard bearer, I mentioned only bow armed models. It's 599pts.

thats all well and good that you mentioned only warriors with bows, but we still could have more models with bows than you, even with the 33% rule(thats if you are playing by it). hands down, Harad can have the most possible archers in the race of men! if you want to get technical, hobbits outshoot both of us, even if they do have a shorter range.

Don't you use the 50 model limit? :)

[lotrchampion]

I use the 50 model limit, and at 500pts my army has 22 bow-armed models, the whole army being 45 models It's tailored for 50% bows for TLA's campaign (Harad can have 50% bows), and at 600pts for the GT next year I should still manage around that number.

[tHeGOblinkiNg]

The 33% bow rules doesn't exist anymore it has been got rid of by Games Workshop.....

cheers
When did that happen?

[Skywalker312]

Don't you use the 50 model limit?

Yes and no. i use the fifty model limit rule, but it really depends on the size of the battle. when the point limit gets to be around 1500 points, we usually ignore that rule.

[Skywalker312]

i will give a free blister(buying it for you via paypal) to whoever wins this contest. assuming that Lotrchampion is up for it! HARAD FOREVER!!!

EDIT: House rules can be used, but only the ones from WD!

i take it no one is going to take me up on this. anyway, a well done thread Lotrchampion, we'll show them once the campaign starts

[KingofRohan8888]

i am but lotrhampion needs to accept my challenge.

[LordBoromir]

Awesome. Free blister for champ. :D

[lotrchampion]

/me gets out the white glove and slaps KoR888 around with it

I accept your challenge, thou fool!

600pts, GT size? :wink: